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Bridgnorth Station redevelopment: 2012 onwards
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madderlake



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

<Pedant mode> I think you will find stretcher bond refers to the way they are laid, joint to middle, and imperial refers to the dimensions, imperial not metric. I don't think either term tells you anything about any pattern on the face.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did one brick say to the other. Never LEGO
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hunter_i



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just rereading the GM's September comments where he said - "The pit location has been revised and is currently subject to a new planning application, costs are also being assessed for re modelling the loco yard at Bridgnorth to accommodate direct access to the turntable and provide space for Platform 2 extension."

If the idea is to extend Platform 2 to match the Platform 1 extension, then presumably this can only be done be narrowing the current spread of tracks into the workshop building. This may also provide space to move the turntable location closer to the workshop and place it on firmer (and cheaper) ground.

Considering that moving engines in and out of the workshop building is not a constant activity, the tempting thought arises of running the workshop tracks off the turntable.

I realise this would seriously limit the space available for storage and preparation of the service engines, and there is probably insufficient space for such a radical option.

However the GM's reference to re modelling the yard does sound interesting.

PS Has anyone tried to check the Council website for recent planning applications? My computer will not access.
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Robin



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hunter_i wrote:
PS Has anyone tried to check the Council website for recent planning applications? My computer will not access.
One application was submitted in October for a 5m CCTV column in the new car park. Nothing new is shown relating to the turntable.
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hunter_i



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank Robin

One final observation on the GM's reference to direct access to the turntable.

It has long been proposed that the back road behind platform 2 be reconnected to provide greater operational flexibilty, with an additional run around path for locos, if for example both platform roads were occupied at the same time.

If the potential remodelling of the loco yard were to include this option, and locos could run around via the loco yard, then they could possibly pass across the turntable. This would certainly meet the GM'S description of direct turntable access.

It may also be relevant to note that with extremely limited space, to accommodate several tracks running off a turntable , they could be overlapped on the rim. Such complicated but interesting track work, might stimulate additional financial support from members.

Just a thought. As usual time will tell.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robin wrote:
hunter_i wrote:
PS Has anyone tried to check the Council website for recent planning applications? My computer will not access.
One application was submitted in October for a 5m CCTV column in the new car park. Nothing new is shown relating to the turntable.


Looking back at the old planning applications, in 1993 a picnic area was planned for opposite platform one at Bridgnorth, under pan pudding hill. Why didnít it happen?
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threelinkdave



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hunter_i wrote:
Thank Robin

One final observation on the GM's reference to direct access to the turntable.

It has long been proposed that the back road behind platform 2 be reconnected to provide greater operational flexibilty, with an additional run around path for locos, if for example both platform roads were occupied at the same time.

If the potential remodelling of the loco yard were to include this option, and locos could run around via the loco yard, then they could possibly pass across the turntable. This would certainly meet the GM'S description of direct turntable access.

It may also be relevant to note that with extremely limited space, to accommodate several tracks running off a turntable , they could be overlapped on the rim. Such complicated but interesting track work, might stimulate additional financial support from members.

Just a thought. As usual time will tell.
Interlacing tracks on a turntable brings its own problems. The fowling point between two tracks moves a considerable way from the turntable reducing siding space
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hunter_i



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One final, final comment on the turntable location.

I completely agree with the fowling point dilemma and I only had in mind a few track connections. The maximum 5 track width of the loco yard is 75 ft and the turntable diameter is 65 ft.

As noted in the Wiki entry for the turntable - "The difficulty of finding a suitable location at Bridgnorth was noted at the time, possible sites considered including the end of the head-shunt adjacent to Pan Pudding Hill, an area beyond and adjacent to the Boiler Shop, or south of the station beyond the advanced starting signal."

I have now been able to access the Council Planning site and have noted two potentially relevant entries. In the archaeological report for the field car park , reference was made to one test pit "on the site of the proposed turntable". However the location drawing shows that test pit more or less opposite the current coal bunker but up on the high ground - which cannot be right - it would certainly not suggest direct turntable access. In another diagram of the area there is a notation emphasising the current road passing the cottage is not be connected to the new field exit road (presumably for safety reasons).

With that road becoming an otherwise unusable dead end, it was the only available space for the turntable as presently located. See drawing below.

With such space limitations it is very hard to see a better alternative location in the loco yard without significant earthworks or demolition. Maybe the turntable is going elsewhere?

If these links don't work it is Severn Valley Railway Bridgnorth Planning Application 18/03035/DIS and document 29/7/18 proposes Site Traffic Management Plan.

https://pa.shropshire.gov.uk/online-applications/files/2E2C608841AB7127621EDBE6735CB13E/pdf/18_03035_DIS-PROPOSED_SITE_TRAFFIC_MANAGEMENT_PLAN-3344307.pdf

https://pa.shropshire.gov.uk/online-applications/files/2E2C608841AB7127621EDBE6735CB13E/pdf/18_03035_DIS-PROPOSED_SITE_TRAFFIC_MANAGEMENT_PLAN-3344307.pdf
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Derby4



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A number of images have been posted on facebook today, including showing some serious landscaping of the steep bank down from the south terrace to road level.
A hessian-type covering is being used to cover the now bare earth, perhaps this will act as a medium for the sowing of grass or wild flowers to stabilise the very steep slope.
The continued good weather must be a god-send for the final finishing of the outside work.

Rob
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(pedant mode on) The missing piece of rainwater downpipe on the south end of the refreshment room is still missing. (pedant mode off...)

Rob
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