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S&DJR 7F 2-8-0 88 (53808)
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shez5690



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly off topic, but it is 88's sister!

Here's a reminder of 53809's visited to the SVR in the Autumn of 1987.

53809 is seen here making a very slippery exit from Bridgnorth, and at Highley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzDfJVS-y9o

And here climbing away from Sterns at the bottom of Eardington Bank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FlzVUJZ2sM
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hearn_p



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gents/Ladies

My 1951 Combined Volume (reprint) confoirms 88 to be a (LMS/BR) 7F.

Classsification on the cab is 4P5F (or similar).

Can anyone elucidate?

Thanks

Patrick
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hassell_a



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hearn_p wrote:
Gents/Ladies

My 1951 Combined Volume (reprint) confoirms 88 to be a (LMS/BR) 7F.

Classsification on the cab is 4P5F (or similar).

Can anyone elucidate?

Thanks

Patrick


LMS/BR classification was 7F

S&D classification was 4P5G

Or so i believe....
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9F for SVR



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hassell_a wrote:


LMS/BR classification was 7F

S&D classification was 4P5G

Or so i believe....


The 4P5F classification on 88 is a WSR "modification" and cannot be a S&D classification because remember the S&D 7Fs were built way after the S&DJR was absorbed in 1923, making that classification and livery a very nice adaptation.
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cherry_p



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9F for SVR wrote:

The 4P5F classification on 88 is a WSR "modification" and cannot be a S&D classification because remember the S&D 7Fs were built way after the S&DJR was absorbed in 1923, making that classification and livery a very nice adaptation.


The first 6 [80-85] were built in 1914. The last 5 [86-90] in 1925. They didn't become LMS locos until 1930.

http://www.sdrt.org.uk/news/news2006/88testrun.htm says "88, now lettered out SDJR and given a 4P5G classification (slightly downgraded from 5P5G of S&D days),...."
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miniandi



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there one in lms livery? Is 1000 part of the same class? sorry I'm to shaw the difference between 1000 and 88
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Joe2027



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

miniandi wrote:
Is there one in lms livery? Is 1000 part of the same class? sorry I'm to shaw the difference between 1000 and 88


The "1000" loco is not of the same class as "88". They look alike because "88" uses the same type of boiler as "1000".

A crucial difference between the two is that "1000" is a compound loco, with one low pressure, and two high pressure cylinders. "88" is your common all garden two cylinder loco where the steam is used once in each cylinder at a high pressure.
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cherry_p



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not to mention that 1000 is a 4-4-0 with large diameter wheels designed for fast[ish] passenger work, and 88 is a 2-8-0 with much smaller wheels for relatively slow freight work.
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bowell_d



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

miniandi wrote:
Is there one in lms livery?

Not currently. 53809 has run in LMS livery in preservation as 13809, but we must be talking 25 years ago, perhaps longer.

53809 can run in LMS livery and be authentic, but 53808 can't. They were originally fitted with larger diameter boilers. 53809 gained the current style of boiler pre-1948, whilst 53808 retained a larger diameter one until BR days.

Of course, 88's current Prussian Blue S&D livery isn't authentic on either loco, but (in my view at least) it's good to see an extinct livery brought back. It makes a pleasant change from the current trend of everything carrying BR livery.
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Joe2027



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cherry_p wrote:
not to mention that 1000 is a 4-4-0 with large diameter wheels designed for fast[ish] passenger work, and 88 is a 2-8-0 with much smaller wheels for relatively slow freight work.


As there ever been a production type triple compound loco, where there's one cylinder each for high, medium and low pressure ?
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Derek Wright



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Webb built one for the LN&WR towards the end of the 19th century. Not sure of the number but it was named "Triplex" (before car windscreens adopted the name). Apparently it was unsuccessful and the design was not repeated
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miniandi



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok thanks but is it a later verson and upgrade from the 4f? Sorry I dont know much about the 4F which is a nice loco and 1000 and 88
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miniandi



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh and a 2p
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extract from the public domain side of SVRLive [published 13 March 2018].
https://www.svrlive.com/ssg-2018

7F steps in to replace B1
We are truly grateful to our friends at the West Somerset Railway and Somerset & Dorset Railway Trust for the last minute hire of 7F No. 53808 for our Spring Steam Gala this weekend.

Visiting for the first time in British Railways black, the 1925-built 2-8-0 will cover the services scheduled to be hauled by B1 No. 1264 on all three days.
Joining us for a flying visit, the engine last time visited in 2014.

This forum post is a snapshot extract from the main SVRLive site and is not necessarily updated to reflect change.
Always refer back to and check the main web site to confirm details are still correct
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